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Episode two, no script — just the two of us picking up the feedback that came in after the pilot and following it wherever it wanted to go. Pushback on the Krishnamurti quote and the quilting metaphor turned into a longer wrestle with love itself: whether you can define it or only discern it, and what it means if the center of reality is a Person you can come to know but never pin down.
Timestamps
(00:37) World Cup, mate, and claiming Argentina (06:12) Hitting record without a script (07:39) Feedback, part one — is the problem naming, or labeling? (08:07) Genesis 2: God brings the animals “to see what he would name them” (16:40) Meg, salmon, and tasting something for the first time (21:10) The tree of knowing, and the reach for certainty (22:55) Feedback, part two — love as the substance of the quilt (25:22) Where the metaphor starts to break (33:27) Why Jesus — love at the center of reality (35:30) Discerning love vs. defining it (42:13) “Truthing” in love (49:45) Barry Lopez: “How do I say your name?” (58:16) Love is patient — and comes with no guarantees
Mentioned in this episode
- Jiddu Krishnamurti — the line about naming a bird, revisited from the pilot
- James K.A. Smith, Make Your Home in This Luminous Dark: Mysticism, Art, and the Path of Unknowing
- Barry Lopez — the naturalist passage Smith quotes, on approaching an unfamiliar landscape with questions
- The Cloud of Unknowing — the anonymous medieval contemplative text
- Tim Mackie (BibleProject) — Jesus opening our eyes to what reality is really like
- The “truthing in love” reading of Ephesians 4:15
Scripture
- 1 John 4:8 “Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love.”
- Genesis 2:19 “Now the Lord God had formed out of the ground all the wild animals and all the birds in the sky. He brought them to the man to see what he would name them; and whatever the man called each living creature, that was its name.”
- Galatians 5:6 “For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has any value. The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love.”
- 1 Corinthians 13:4 “Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud.”
- Proverbs 25:2 “It is the glory of God to conceal a matter; to search out a matter is the glory of kings.”
Scripture quotations taken from The Holy Bible, New International Version® (NIV®). Copyright ©1973, 1978, 1984, 2011 by Biblica, Inc.® Used by permission. All rights reserved worldwide.